1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 There it is. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 It's been called the Roswell of northern New Mexico, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 a small town said to be harboring one of the darkest 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,000 most disturbing secrets in UFO history. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,000 An alien underground facility, 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:21,000 bizarre genetic experiments, egg-shaped UFOs. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Does this space really exist? 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 There's a hole on the other side of the Arch-Leta mountain. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Has our government known all along did they help build it? 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Dulce is an underground base. 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Ben Hansen is on a mission to find out. 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,000 See, the top of the ridge is like spilling out like heat? 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 I'm Ben Hansen, a former federal agent. 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 My grandfather worked at a highly classified Air Force base 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 and convinced me we are not alone in the universe. 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Then I had my own encounter that changed my life forever. 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Welcome to UFO history. 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Now I've gained access to a top secret archive from Project Bluebook. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,000 This planet has been under surveillance for centuries. 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Containing reports of over 10,000 UFO sightings 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,000 investigated by the US government. 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 We can very well be standing on the exact place for a UFO process. 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 My mission is to uncover the truth. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,000 I'm in a remote area of northern New Mexico, 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 following up on a wave of UFO sightings. 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,000 When it comes to UFOs, New Mexico is best known for one incident particular, 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Roswell 1947. 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 But that infamous case is just the beginning 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 when it comes to UFO activity in this region. 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Since then there's been abductions, cattle mutilations, 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,000 UFOs, and other UFOs. 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Since then there's been abductions, cattle mutilations, 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,000 even stories of human experimentation. 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000 I've heard rumors that the government has had a hand in these incidents. 35 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Before I came out here, I spoke with Laura Eisenhower, 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,000 the great-granddaughter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower. 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,000 And what she told me about alien activity on our planet was mind-blowing. 38 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Hey Laura. 39 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Hey Ben. 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 I'm on my way to Dulce, New Mexico to follow up on a recent UFO sighting. 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,000 And I was told that the locals, a lot of them believe in this idea 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,000 that there's an underground alien base in cooperation with humans and military there. 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Do you think there's any truth to the idea of an underground base? 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Dulce is an underground base. 45 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,000 There's a lot of sightings that people have experienced, 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 and they really do back up the claims. 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Do you feel that these underground bases might be related to these treaties 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,000 that your great-grandfather allegedly took place in with extraterrestrials? 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Yes. 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Laura believes her great-grandfather, President Eisenhower, 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,000 entered into a treaty with an alien race known as the Greys. 52 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,000 One of the theories is that we would exchange technology. 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:16,000 They would give us their information on how to advance our technology 54 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,000 in trade for allowing them to do experimentation. 55 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Ah, yes. 56 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,000 We talk about the extraterrestrials coming from space 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,000 and having a particular interest in maybe a town, maybe a military base, 58 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:39,000 and that could be true, but could it also be true there's an increase in activity 59 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,000 because they're already here and that they're underground and they're actually coming out? 60 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Yes, they've been here a really long time. 61 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 What are their intentions? 62 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,000 You know, it's something to ponder, and there's a lot to uncover. 63 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:58,000 I'm absolutely convinced it exists, and I'll be interested to hear what you have to share when you get back. 64 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,000 The people of Dulce and the surrounding Hikariya Apache Nation Reservation 65 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 have been witnessing strange UFOs for decades, 66 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:12,000 but recently one man claims to have captured photographic proof. 67 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Ben is on his way to meet him now. 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Could this be evidence of underground alien bases? 69 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,000 I discovered a photo which an amateur photographer took named Dory Vigil. 70 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Dory was taking pictures of a flat top mountain named the Archuleta Mesa. 71 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,000 And I want to know if the photo might have anything to do with these reports of a base. 72 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Hey, Dory. 73 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Hey, how you doing? 74 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Good, Ben. Nice to meet you. 75 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Dory, a long time Dulce resident, grew up hearing all sorts of whispers about Archuleta Mesa. 76 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,000 But in 2015, all those rumors would become shockingly real. 77 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 So what were you doing that day? 78 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Late one afternoon, Dory was helping a friend trim trees. 79 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,000 On his way home, he pulled over to take some photos. 80 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,000 That day I was over here and talking to this other here. 81 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,000 I had a brand new camera. 82 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 I was trying to take pictures. 83 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 I took a picture at the pub of the hill. 84 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 I took a picture at the church. 85 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 All of a sudden, there it was. 86 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000 This little black thing in the sky. 87 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,000 So do you happen to have that photo with you? 88 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Yeah. 89 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 I can see. 90 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 OK, there's that little dip. 91 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 I can see now. 92 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,000 And so with this perspective, though, that actually looks pretty close to you. 93 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Dory wasn't the only one who saw the strange flying object that evening. 94 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Other witnesses were called in even stranger detail. 95 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,000 There's other people around town that says they seen the same UFO coming from the Mesa. 96 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 From the Archuleta Mesa. 97 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:08,000 There is about maybe five accounts saying that it opened up. 98 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Opened up. 99 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,000 And the light came out or whatever or something. 100 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,000 And then they said there's stuff that went in and went out and then it closed up and everything. 101 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Could the rumors be true? 102 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Could the Archuleta Mesa be hiding one of the underground bases allegedly built under Native American reservations? 103 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Have you had people coming to you and saying that you hoaxed it? 104 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Yeah, there's people that are trying to say that, though. 105 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 But I thought, no, it's not a bird. 106 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 It's not that it's just a real thing right here. 107 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:47,000 I mean, if this were a bird or something, it would have to be the very perfect moment where its wings were folded up, right? 108 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,000 Because it doesn't, to me, it doesn't look like a bird. 109 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,000 If you want to see a light and an object go by, you will have a streak on it. 110 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,000 This one really didn't have a streak. 111 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,000 But other than that, it was there, you know, the dead. 112 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 And it was painless day. 113 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Yeah, okay. 114 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 It's real. 115 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,000 And while you were there, though, there was no sounds. 116 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 There was no anything that would do. 117 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:17,000 If I would have known, I would have went straight toward it and looked around, you know, looked around and investigated a little bit with your own eyes and no... 118 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,000 So do you think, then, that it's possibly not from this world? 119 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,000 It's not military. It's not from here, for sure. 120 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,000 It's hard to say, though. It's hard to say. 121 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,000 From the rumors, the stories of the people in town, how long has this been going on? 122 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:44,000 According to all the stories from the history, from grandma to cousin, they told me that when they were small, they used to see the spacecraft and everything. 123 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:51,000 If the Eisenhower Treaty was signed 70 years ago, it would explain why these rumors have been around for so long. 124 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 So we're talking at least maybe 100 years or more? 125 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Yes. 126 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Ben's eager to investigate the archer at Amesa for himself, but access will be a challenge. 127 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,000 So if I want to go visit any part of the Amesa or up in this area, what would I need to do? 128 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:12,000 You might have to talk to the elders and to the tribe that way you can get permission from them. 129 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,000 You have to have a travel member go with you. That's the law. 130 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Ben heads to the Hickorya Apache Nation to plead his case. 131 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:27,000 If he can't get permission to access the land, his investigation is over before it's really started. 132 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:40,000 I'm on my way to meet with some of the elders of the Hickorya Apache Nation to get their permission to move freely about the reservation, to talk to some of the UFO witnesses, hear their experiences. 133 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 It's a matter of respect and I need that permission from them. 134 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,000 The tribe has turned down requests from dozens of UFO investigators. 135 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 You'll have to turn the camera off now. 136 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:06,000 After several hours, Ben reemerges with good news. He has secured unprecedented access, provided he works with a local resident and former detective, Avery Tafoya. 137 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Thank you for taking your time to go with me because as an outsider I know that this is kind of a sensitive issue. 138 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,000 You're welcome. 139 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:27,000 I have always wanted to come to this part of New Mexico because this gentleman, Dory, was telling me people are watching things silently going in and out. Is that true? 140 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:35,000 Yes, people in the community have been seeing flying saucers, UFOs. 141 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 Where do they think that these UFOs come from? 142 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,000 Well, it's rumored that they're probably coming out of the base. 143 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 So you've heard that too? 144 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 Yeah. 145 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:53,000 The secret alien underground base was allegedly built in the 50s after Eisenhower drew up a treaty with the alien entities. 146 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:04,000 But UFO lore has it that in the 1970s, a government security guard from Archuleta's underground base came forward to expose all the horrifying secrets hidden in the mountain. 147 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 His account became known as the Dulce Papers. 148 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:17,000 This long sought after report has eluded UFO researchers for decades, but incredibly, Avery claims to know all about it. 149 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 So have you looked through the Dulce Papers yourself? 150 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Yes, I have. I've looked through the Dulce Papers. 151 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Until now, Ben had only rumors to go on, but now he's found someone that actually has seen the papers. 152 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Really? 153 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,000 Yeah, it was a while back. 154 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:43,000 I used to work with the police department. We were in our squad room drinking coffee, night shift. 155 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,000 There was a cabinet in the coffee room, so we kind of looked through it and checked. 156 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,000 We actually found a copy of the Dulce Papers in there. 157 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Like in a case file? 158 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Yeah, it wasn't labeled. I do have a copy if you'd like to see it. 159 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 I would love to take a look at it. 160 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:09,000 It seems the tribal police kept their own copy of the entire report. Ben can't believe what he's seeing. The allegations are horrifying. 161 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:15,000 The paper describes a seven-level deep laboratory run by humans and alien grays. 162 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,000 They depict twisted genetic experiments aimed at producing hybrid organisms. 163 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Wow. This is like vats of aliens inside of them. It looks like growing them or preserving them, right? 164 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 And detailed sketches. Very interesting. 165 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,000 So this researcher writes genetic acceleration, period of gestation, three to five months. 166 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:48,000 There's some strange symbols here. It says computerized wall and computerized tanks. Interesting. 167 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,000 This is an incredible account, but Ben needs more evidence. 168 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Is there anyone else around town or other stories that you've heard that kind of corroborates, you know, that there is an underground base? 169 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Yes, there's a woman named Myrna Hansen. 170 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:19,000 In 1980, a woman named Myrna Hansen claimed she and her son were abducted by grays and taken to the base. 171 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Her and her six-year-old son were driving home. 172 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 And they observed some flying saucers in the sky. 173 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,000 The next thing she remembers after that was her and her son were in their car. 174 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,000 And it had no gas. It wasn't ready. 175 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:05,000 On May 5th, 1980, sitting just outside the town of Dulce, she realized she'd lost a full six hours. 176 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Does she recall anything of what happened in the missing time? 177 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:18,000 After time, she didn't, but she had gone back to do some regression hypnotism. 178 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 During the time that she did that, she found out what had happened. 179 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 They were taken to an underground base. 180 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Really? 181 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Yes. 182 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Myrna saw what appeared to be a complex lab. 183 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:51,000 She was subjected to painful experiments and feared she wouldn't believe a lie. 184 00:13:52,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Apparently, after they were through with examinations and procedures, they took Myrna and her son into another room. 185 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:11,000 She described seeing a big vats of liquid with a body parts in it. 186 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 And she was not sure what was going on. 187 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Myrna Hanson also claimed she saw the aliens conduct bizarre and painful experiments on cattle. 188 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,000 And then she and her son's memories were erased. 189 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 They were subject to flashes of bright lights. 190 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Apparently, the bright lights were not visible. 191 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,000 They were subject to flashes of bright lights. 192 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Apparently, the bright lights wiped the memory of the abduction. 193 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Wow. 194 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Kate, seems like hypnosis helped. 195 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Yes. 196 00:14:53,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Do you think there's a real possibility that there is an extraterrestrial base underneath Dulce? 197 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 I do. 198 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Agier agrees to introduce me to another witness who claims she had an encounter with the Dulce aliens. 199 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,000 On the way, he describes more rumors of the underground base. 200 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:20,000 I've heard the people that live up on this side of the hill that at times it sounds like they can hear machinery. 201 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Really? 202 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,000 But there's no machinery out. 203 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,000 So they think it's underground. 204 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Wow. 205 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Quite a few stories from this area from the police. 206 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Maybe right over there against the mountain, something that's inside there. 207 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Based on what Avery's told me, there are a lot of eyewitnesses in Dulce. 208 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:46,000 We're on our way to meet Jerry Julian, a hickory of elder who lives on the outskirts of town. 209 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000 Her husband Larry. 210 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Uh-huh. 211 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 They used to stay down here a lot. 212 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Watched her cattle. 213 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,000 So a lot of times they would just sit outside and that's when they started seeing stuff. 214 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Hello. 215 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Hello. 216 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 I'm Ben. 217 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Oh, OK. 218 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Nice to meet you. 219 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,000 You must be Jerry. 220 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Yes. 221 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:11,000 So Avery has been telling me here that you have had some incredible experiences out here at your property. 222 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 I guess you keep cattle here. 223 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,000 I wanted to kind of hear what's been going on. 224 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 Jerry. 225 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Jerry claims to have had her first encounter with the Dulce aliens in 1986. 226 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:30,000 A couple years ago, we were working up over there at Archuleta Mountain that way. 227 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,000 Well, we parked over there with my husband. 228 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,000 He brought me a little... 229 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000 Why don't you have a seat? 230 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000 A little cook. 231 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000 OK. 232 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:46,000 We just sat at the end gate. 233 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:52,000 And then all of a sudden from there, we saw like something coming down up of Archuleta Mountain, 234 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,000 going towards the road, something white. 235 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,000 On top, there was like a dome like this. 236 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 It was huge. 237 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 It was huge. 238 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 It was huge. 239 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:09,000 And egg-shaped craft similar to what her fellow tribal member Dory saw was getting closer. 240 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:16,000 My husband, he looked at it and then he tells me right away, he said, get in the truck. 241 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,000 And then I said, I want to see it too. 242 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 He said, no, get in the truck. 243 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:28,000 So I put the end gate back up and then I got in the truck. 244 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,000 And then the truck will start. 245 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Really? 246 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:45,000 As Jerry's husband struggles to get the truck started, the couple suddenly notices figures approaching. 247 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Two small people started climbing down. 248 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Finally. 249 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,000 That's one wish of us. 250 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,000 That's one wish of us. 251 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:11,000 The couple suddenly notices figures approaching. 252 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Two small people started climbing down. 253 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,400 That's one way to go. 254 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:26,600 Although Jerry didn't get a close look, 255 00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:30,140 she saw the figures go back to their egg-shaped UFO 256 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,180 and fly back towards the mountain. 257 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,080 Wow. 258 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:34,180 Wow. 259 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,920 And it went back on top of Arch Lettemountain 260 00:18:37,020 --> 00:18:39,320 to where the hole is. 261 00:18:39,420 --> 00:18:40,120 That way. 262 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:40,620 The hole? 263 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:41,760 What's the hole? 264 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:46,820 There's a hole on the other side of the Arch Lettemountain. 265 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,720 Is that a hole in it, or do you mean that it's actually 266 00:18:48,820 --> 00:18:49,320 hole in it? 267 00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:50,760 They made it. 268 00:18:50,860 --> 00:18:53,100 Whoever it is, they made it. 269 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:56,900 Wow. 270 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,300 But this is not the end of Jerry's story. 271 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,700 That night, the beings came back. 272 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,840 And this time, she saw them up close. 273 00:19:04,940 --> 00:19:11,420 At my house, at night, I woke up while it was dark in my room. 274 00:19:12,180 --> 00:19:13,520 There were two small people. 275 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:17,120 They were trying to pull me out of bed, and I couldn't scream. 276 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:20,760 And she has a specific name for her would-be abductors. 277 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:22,660 The star people. 278 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,540 I was holding onto the mattress down here, 279 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,540 and they were trying to pull me off. 280 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:37,540 And then my husband moved, and then they let me go. 281 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,440 Wow. 282 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,900 And all day the next day, I couldn't get it out of my mind. 283 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,300 What if they come again tonight? 284 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,940 What if they really take me? 285 00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:52,480 They're the star people. 286 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:54,420 So is that what you believe, is that they're 287 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:55,420 extra-trust drill? 288 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,280 Mm-hmm. 289 00:19:58,860 --> 00:20:01,520 Well, Jerry, thank you so much for your time 290 00:20:01,620 --> 00:20:03,220 and agreeing to meet with us. 291 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,500 And some of your experiences sound quite frightening, 292 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,160 but it matches up with a lot of what other people are doing. 293 00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:10,820 So I wanted to thank you for your time. 294 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:16,660 You know, talking to Jerry, it was really interesting 295 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,960 about how she described seeing the craft 296 00:20:19,060 --> 00:20:22,800 and that there were small people that came down. 297 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:26,000 I think she said a ladder off the craft. 298 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:30,140 And Dory's got the picture of a oval-shaped craft. 299 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,180 Yes. 300 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,440 It really makes you wonder, does it 301 00:20:32,540 --> 00:20:37,480 have something to do with craft that are more or less 302 00:20:37,540 --> 00:20:39,500 housed here, you know? 303 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,200 Yeah, that's true. 304 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:43,540 So where are you taking me next? 305 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,540 We're going to be heading out to a cattle ranch down here 306 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:47,680 by the river. 307 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:48,880 OK. 308 00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:52,320 And I'm assuming some strange things have been happening 309 00:20:52,420 --> 00:20:53,920 with the cattle, perhaps. 310 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:57,360 There was a lot of cow mutilations up here. 311 00:20:57,460 --> 00:21:01,860 Actually, at our ranch, we had four that were mutilated. 312 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,760 Really? 313 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,640 So your family had their own experiences. 314 00:21:10,740 --> 00:21:13,740 You had mutilated animals on your ranch. 315 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,640 Yes. 316 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:15,640 What was that like? 317 00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:18,980 I mean, what did the animals look like? 318 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,720 You know, a lot of them were cut like their jaw line, 319 00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:27,260 and the tongues were taken, ears were cut off. 320 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:32,460 But the thing about it is it looked more like laser cut 321 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,700 than what it would look like if you were to cut it with a knife. 322 00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:37,420 It was very precise. 323 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,700 Precise and very little blood around the carcass. 324 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,060 How was that for your family to come across that? 325 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,600 I mean, was it really shocking? 326 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:47,400 And what were they thinking? 327 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:48,400 Shocking. 328 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:52,100 And at first, they didn't actually know what was going on, 329 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,300 you know, because there was no evidence. 330 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,780 There was no footprints. 331 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,680 And of course, the ranchers were getting upset because they 332 00:22:00,780 --> 00:22:03,220 were losing the cattle, losing income. 333 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,280 But eventually, as they started investigating, 334 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:09,280 they found out that some of the cows actually 335 00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:13,420 had harness marks on them, like they were airlifted. 336 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,320 Harness marks? 337 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:15,120 Yes. 338 00:22:15,220 --> 00:22:16,220 You mean like indented? 339 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,320 Yeah, like bruised. 340 00:22:18,420 --> 00:22:19,320 Really? 341 00:22:19,420 --> 00:22:23,460 And they would also find broken ribs, shoulders 342 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,860 from apparently being dropped. 343 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,700 The strange thing is the predators 344 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,000 wouldn't bother them. 345 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:31,000 The coyotes wouldn't go and eat them. 346 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:31,900 Really? 347 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,800 Yes. 348 00:22:32,860 --> 00:22:37,360 So that was totally strange altogether. 349 00:22:37,460 --> 00:22:40,100 Everybody in town has some sort of story 350 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,940 that they've seen something here or they know somebody. 351 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,300 UFO craft coming and going in the mountain. 352 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,440 I believe Dory. 353 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:50,400 I believe that he didn't hoax this photo. 354 00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,940 What it is is still unidentified. 355 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,680 It's a true UFO. 356 00:22:54,780 --> 00:22:57,920 And does it support some of the other stories of people in town? 357 00:22:58,020 --> 00:22:58,980 Yeah. 358 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,820 They've been witnessing strange objects like this 359 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,240 for many, many years. 360 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:06,020 I really had no idea there was so much activity 361 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:07,680 reported in this part of New Mexico. 362 00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:15,720 To find out what's really hiding in New Mexico, 363 00:23:15,820 --> 00:23:18,720 Ben will need to dig further into the past. 364 00:23:18,820 --> 00:23:22,260 He's been granted special access to the top secret archives 365 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:26,220 of Dr. J. Allen Heineck, lead investigator for the Air Force's 366 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,300 Project Blue Book program. 367 00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:31,880 It was Blue Book's mission to explain away strange UFO 368 00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:34,780 phenomenon, but Dr. Heineck soon realized 369 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,080 some of these strange sightings could not be debunked. 370 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:41,980 I'm in Kalamazoo, Michigan, going to the Kufos Library. 371 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,880 I want to get to the bottom of whether the Archuleta Mesa 372 00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:46,820 is housing an underground base. 373 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,720 Hey, Ben. 374 00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:48,820 Hey, Mark. 375 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,820 And UFO historian Marco Connell has agreed to help. 376 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,960 So everyone knows that New Mexico is a hotspot for UFO 377 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:57,960 activity, right? 378 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,620 I've been researching rumors of a jointly operated human and alien 379 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,860 underground base in Dulce, New Mexico. 380 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,660 It's a facility where allegedly our government allows 381 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,400 aliens to experiment on humans in return 382 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:11,300 for their advanced technology. 383 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,900 There have been reports of egg-shaped UFOs flying in and out 384 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,000 of the mountain. 385 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:17,580 And I've spoken to one witness who 386 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,880 says she was nearly abducted. 387 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:24,220 Historically, have there been any other sightings in that area? 388 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,960 The big one would be the Sikaro case. 389 00:24:27,020 --> 00:24:30,460 I did involve the traffic cop who saw a strange object 390 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,420 and watched it blast off into the sky. 391 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,900 So we have a couple of tapes here. 392 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,160 The first one is an interview with the traffic cop, 393 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:41,140 Lonnie Zamora, the man who saw the UFO. 394 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,340 What's that supposed to do? 395 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,340 I don't know. 396 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,240 I don't know. 397 00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:45,240 I don't know. 398 00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:46,240 I don't know. 399 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:47,240 I don't know. 400 00:24:47,340 --> 00:24:48,340 I don't know. 401 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,340 I don't know. 402 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,340 I don't know. 403 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,340 I don't know. 404 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,340 I don't know. 405 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,340 I don't know. 406 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,340 I don't know. 407 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,340 I don't know. 408 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,340 I came to this little road. 409 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,740 I heard this big roar blast. 410 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,640 We got a dynamite check to the west there, 411 00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:06,040 but maybe it blowed up. 412 00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:08,540 So I started up that real fast. 413 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,720 But when Zamora arrived on the scene, 414 00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:12,780 he didn't find an exploded shot. 415 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,760 Instead, he saw something he couldn't fathom. 416 00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:18,660 I stuck my head out the window. 417 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,560 And I think this flight ate it. 418 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:23,560 I didn't know what it was at that time. 419 00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:27,460 I thought it was a vehicle that turned over. 420 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,960 I thought it was a white collar on the front. 421 00:25:31,060 --> 00:25:34,500 I was able to just one with the trunks together 422 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,660 and start looking back. 423 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,040 Zamora's first instinct was to go to their aid. 424 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:42,280 I started up the real fast. 425 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:46,580 I could just maybe help the people in the car. 426 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,180 And out the car started to roar. 427 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,180 It's when the heart just sticks, flies again, same noise. 428 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,580 And the plane comes under it. 429 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,340 I got scared to start running back. 430 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,540 I ran about 50 feet from it. 431 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,820 I told myself to the ground. 432 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,280 And I had to wear a sound. 433 00:26:03,380 --> 00:26:05,280 I had to hear the noise no more. 434 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:10,020 I just stepped it on my head to see what was happening. 435 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:11,260 And it was real fast then. 436 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,960 And I thought, if my optic just did take out. 437 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:21,400 You know what I love about this story? 438 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:25,120 He's giving details that are very pertinent, 439 00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:29,560 that don't fit that typical UFO sighting. 440 00:26:29,660 --> 00:26:30,560 It's egg-shaped. 441 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:35,300 And these men are creatures in white coveralls. 442 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,300 Right? 443 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,100 It's unlike any other case that I've really heard. 444 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,000 And then the flames. 445 00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:42,540 So it's like, if you were to make up a story to get people 446 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,680 to believe you, why wouldn't you just make up your typical, 447 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:48,020 OK, here's my UFO encounter. 448 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:49,720 And leave it at that. 449 00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:51,680 Especially when you consider that he immediately 450 00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:52,820 called in for backup. 451 00:26:56,780 --> 00:26:58,480 If he was making this up, there's no way 452 00:26:58,580 --> 00:26:59,780 he's calling for backup. 453 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,660 No, he wanted to let people know I'm not crazy. 454 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,560 Right? 455 00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:07,420 Someone else has got to see this. 456 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,300 You should listen to this tape as well. 457 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,700 This is Dr. Heineck talking about the Sikoro case. 458 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,600 I certainly believe that. 459 00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:23,420 I mean, Zemar had a most interesting, significant 460 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,020 experience. 461 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,460 And I'm particularly interested in the tracks that were left. 462 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,500 And the analysis of the samples of material from those tracks. 463 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600 And until you know more about it, all I can take about it 464 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:41,760 is, since you did it, I must follow the viewer. 465 00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:45,060 So it has the Dr. Heineck stamp of approval. 466 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,960 Right? 467 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:46,960 Very much so. 468 00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:50,660 He doesn't come out very often and say, I'm puzzled. 469 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,320 I can't figure this one out. 470 00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:55,060 This was one of Heineck's favorite cases, 471 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,200 if not his absolute favorite. 472 00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:59,440 And he really got into conflict with the Air Force 473 00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:00,740 in this one. 474 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,740 The government's explanation not only upset Heineck, 475 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,880 but it defied common sense. 476 00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:08,080 Here's the official project blue book 477 00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:10,140 conclusion of the case. 478 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,120 They say it was unexplained, but most likely, 479 00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:15,320 a prototype Nessa Lunar Lander. 480 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,620 I don't know that I buy that. 481 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,860 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 482 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,820 So this was 1964, right? 483 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,720 Yeah. 484 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:27,860 I mean, I can't be certain, but I'm 485 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,360 going to guess there's no confirmed documentation 486 00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:35,300 that we were testing the lunar module in Socorro, which 487 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,500 is a small town in New Mexico. 488 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,680 They would have no business doing it out there in the desert. 489 00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:43,440 I've never bought that story for a couple of reasons. 490 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:47,340 First of all, we all remember from the moon landings 491 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,940 that when the lunar lander blasted off, 492 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,440 it left its landing gears behind. 493 00:28:52,540 --> 00:28:54,540 This craft that officers of Mora saw 494 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,280 didn't leave anything behind. 495 00:28:56,380 --> 00:28:58,780 The second thing is, when the lunar lander took off, 496 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,820 it could only travel in one direction, straight up. 497 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,760 The object that officers of Mora saw blasted straight up 498 00:29:05,860 --> 00:29:09,300 and then went horizontally across the landscape 499 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,360 until it disappeared behind the mountains. 500 00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:14,460 So if it was ours, it had capabilities 501 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,760 beyond what our lunar module had three years later, 502 00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:20,720 which doesn't make sense. 503 00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:24,160 Well, there's a reason why this case was Dr. Heineck's favorite. 504 00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:26,760 There was evidence here that something really significant 505 00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:27,860 had happened. 506 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,700 Heineck didn't get to the bottom of it, 507 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,640 but it's worth exploring. 508 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:34,240 Well, if Heineck thought it was intriguing and something 509 00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:36,880 didn't smell right, that's enough for me. 510 00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:38,840 I want to go check it out for myself. 511 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:41,560 Not only was Lonnie Zamora deemed by Heineck 512 00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:44,340 to be a highly credible witness, his encounter 513 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,640 happened just south of the region where Dory Vigil snapped 514 00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:51,440 his photo of an egg-shaped object streaking across the sky. 515 00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:54,280 Is it possible that spacecraft based inside the arch 516 00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:57,480 of La Demesa have been flying through New Mexico's skies 517 00:29:57,580 --> 00:30:00,580 for decades? 518 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,320 Ben is heading back to New Mexico to find out. 519 00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:06,620 I'm in Secura, New Mexico. 520 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,580 I'm checking out this 1960 floor case that was very unique. 521 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,480 Secura was a small, remote town in central New Mexico. 522 00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:18,720 It has a population of just over 8,000 people, 523 00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:22,920 and it's surrounded by desert in every direction for miles. 524 00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:24,760 So I'm going to talk with Ben Moss. 525 00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:26,600 He's a UFO researcher. 526 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:30,700 He's been kind of past the torch from the original investigator, 527 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,300 so he knows all about it. 528 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,900 He's going to tell me how this case fits 529 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000 into the big mystery, which is what 530 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,160 exactly did Zamora see, and has it returned to this region? 531 00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:42,440 Ben. 532 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,060 Ben Hanson, I presume. 533 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,760 Yes, thank you for meeting me out here. 534 00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:46,560 Sure. 535 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:47,640 It's good to finally meet you. 536 00:30:47,740 --> 00:30:49,500 Wonderful day for an investigation. 537 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,600 I'm excited because I've heard so much about this case 538 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:54,840 location. 539 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,080 Is it close to here? 540 00:30:56,180 --> 00:30:57,680 It's right over this burn behind us. 541 00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:58,580 You want to jump in? 542 00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,480 Sounds good. 543 00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:00,280 Go check it out. 544 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:01,480 All righty. 545 00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:03,620 The bands are headed to the exact site 546 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,740 where Zamora said the egg-shaped craft had landed. 547 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,480 So on the right here is the memorial 548 00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:12,080 that the city built to Lonnie, Zamora. 549 00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:14,520 Look at that. 550 00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:16,460 When did they put that up? 551 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,860 After he died in 2009, which is really kind of unusual 552 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,400 that any government agency recognizes a UFO sighting. 553 00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:27,500 Definitely, definitely. 554 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,840 And Lonnie was a very respective citizen. 555 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,300 Surprisingly, this hasn't changed since 1964. 556 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,040 Right here? 557 00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:35,940 Yeah. 558 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:36,900 Let's do it. 559 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,400 When Blue Book investigators arrived on scene 56 years ago, 560 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,880 they placed stones around the impressions left 561 00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:45,840 by the spacecraft's four landing pads. 562 00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:48,680 Decades later, those hollows have filled in. 563 00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:51,580 But the rocks remain, marking the exact position 564 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,420 of the UFO's landing. 565 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,120 Here we are. 566 00:31:57,420 --> 00:31:59,520 I've got a measuring tape here. 567 00:31:59,580 --> 00:32:02,480 I'm curious how far apart these would be. 568 00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:09,280 So between here and there, in center here, we have 13 feet. 569 00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:11,220 And then would this be another one? 570 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,020 That would be another one. 571 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,720 OK, I got 20 feet here. 572 00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:15,620 OK. 573 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,460 So this is a substantial craft. 574 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,460 Yes. 575 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,660 Dr. Heineck took some measurements 576 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,100 and estimated that the craft had a way about nine tons 577 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,300 to make those depressions. 578 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,240 Nine tons. 579 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:26,200 Nine tons. 580 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:28,500 That's a nuts and bolts. 581 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,120 Like physical heavy objects. 582 00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:32,620 That's a big, heavy craft to have sitting down here. 583 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,560 And I would imagine the only way you 584 00:32:34,660 --> 00:32:36,060 would get something down here like that 585 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,560 would be to fly it and drop it in. 586 00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:39,400 Wow. 587 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:40,800 Wow. 588 00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:44,000 When you cross section this, the plane came out directly 589 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:45,800 in the center of the four landing pads. 590 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:47,800 It looked like it surgically, almost like you 591 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,640 had taken a blowtorch and cut this creosite bush in half, 592 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:53,580 which is really hard to do for these resonance plants. 593 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,480 It requires a lot of heat. 594 00:32:56,540 --> 00:32:59,700 I have this original photograph taken by Blue Book 595 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,840 at the scene. 596 00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:03,040 And this is a creosite bush that was burned in half. 597 00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:07,080 You can see quite clearly it's almost sliced precision. 598 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:07,880 Oh, wow. 599 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:08,480 Yeah. 600 00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:09,580 Yeah. 601 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,680 And they even said if you took a blowtorch, 602 00:33:11,780 --> 00:33:13,580 you couldn't recreate this. 603 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,980 No, it just set the thing on fire. 604 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:15,580 Exactly. 605 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,280 And did anyone else witness this? 606 00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:24,320 Well, the case gets more interesting. 607 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,720 In the north direction from here, 608 00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:30,220 there are initially three witnesses independently called 609 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,620 into the dispatch saying, I see an object with a blue flame 610 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,460 heading towards Secor. 611 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,960 This testimony doesn't just corroborate Zamora's account. 612 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:41,000 It suggests that the spacecraft came 613 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:43,600 from the exact direction of the Archuleta Mesa. 614 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,300 And then other people arrived. 615 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,600 Did they take photos? 616 00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,440 Another officer who always carried a camera, 617 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:57,160 he came and took, I believe, about nine shots. 618 00:33:57,260 --> 00:33:59,740 Dr. Heineck later confirmed that the film was 619 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,440 fogged by radiation. 620 00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:05,640 Yeah, a lunar lander wouldn't cause radiation. 621 00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:07,540 That is really odd. 622 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,540 You know, I do have a Geiger counter. 623 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,580 Why don't we go grab that? 624 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,680 Let's do that. 625 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:15,020 Radiation is said to be a telltale sign 626 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,620 of an extraterrestrial craft. 627 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:21,520 While most aircraft are powered by conventional fuels, 628 00:34:21,580 --> 00:34:24,340 it's believed that alien ships run on some sort 629 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,180 of nuclear technology. 630 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,620 OK, so let's see if there's still any radiation here. 631 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,920 I always do like to kind of scan the area. 632 00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:40,160 Oh, wait. 633 00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:41,100 Wait a minute. 634 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,360 Here we go. 635 00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:45,960 We're definitely getting something here. 636 00:34:46,060 --> 00:34:46,700 Wow. 637 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,040 OK, so I can tell you that radiation is quite a bit 638 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:53,260 by far more than what I normally find. 639 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,540 You know, with topsoil like this, though, 640 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,400 I wouldn't expect there to be any trace after this many years. 641 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:01,140 But I'm definitely getting a hit. 642 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,840 And an experimental lunar lander would not 643 00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:05,640 have left any radiation here. 644 00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:08,980 The levels are higher than normal background. 645 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,980 We probably could have in 1964 created a craft that weighed 646 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,820 nine tons, looked like an egg, sits on landing gear. 647 00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:21,320 But we couldn't have replicated how this thing moved. 648 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,220 Nor is there a logical explanation 649 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,220 for the radiation left behind. 650 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,560 Lonnie Zamora claimed after the object 651 00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:31,020 rose off the ground, it immediately sped into the distance 652 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,860 and disappeared over the mountains, 653 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,400 reaching unheard of speeds. 654 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:39,500 It came up using jet propulsion system, lots of noise, 655 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,940 roaring, blue flame coming out. 656 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,040 And then it goes silent. 657 00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:46,740 And it sails off. 658 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,440 We do not, still to this day, have such conventional aircraft. 659 00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:57,540 Ben Hansen is visiting the local Sucuro newspaper 660 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,640 archives to see if there are any more 661 00:35:59,740 --> 00:36:02,680 clues about Zamora's strange encounter. 662 00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:05,620 We're here to look at the archives we called earlier. 663 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,020 You can go right ahead. 664 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:07,820 I appreciate it. 665 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,320 OK. 666 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:09,320 Thanks a lot. 667 00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:12,220 While Ben Moss reviews copies of the local paper, 668 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,520 Ben Hansen searches for articles from other New Mexico 669 00:36:15,580 --> 00:36:17,680 towns. 670 00:36:17,780 --> 00:36:18,880 Find some goodies? 671 00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:19,580 Yeah. 672 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,580 Yeah, looks like it. 673 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,720 Let's check this out. 674 00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:23,880 So what do you got there? 675 00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:27,920 I've got 1964, old defense for news articles. 676 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,420 So it came out, what, a couple days after. 677 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,460 So we're looking for April 28th. 678 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,160 Bingo. 679 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:35,960 Oh, yeah. 680 00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:37,000 A young Dr. Heineck. 681 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,700 He's wearing a Bolo tie to kind of fit in 682 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,500 with the locals here. 683 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,100 Dr. Heineck feels the Morse accounts solid, not a hope. 684 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,260 This article, dated just a few days 685 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,260 after the Zamora incident, proves Heineck didn't buy 686 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,100 the lunar lander cover-up. 687 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,460 He believes Zamora saw something otherworldly. 688 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,600 That's a big recommendation from a Blue Book investigator. 689 00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,140 But Lonnie Zamora wasn't the only person who 690 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,680 claims to have seen a UFO back in 1964. 691 00:37:04,780 --> 00:37:09,680 I found some other things in here that wasn't just on this case. 692 00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:13,680 Here's one talking about people reporting seeing something 693 00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:15,700 landing north of Espanola. 694 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,840 Look at this. 695 00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:19,840 A boy set a fire by a blob. 696 00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:21,440 His grandmother was inside, and she 697 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:24,440 heard a weird sound, like something whizzing by really fast. 698 00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:26,520 She looked around, and he's covered in black, 699 00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:29,080 and his hair is standing on it, and it's burning. 700 00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:33,860 Whatever Zamora saw, it seems he wasn't its only target. 701 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:34,760 Well. 702 00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:39,500 And he talks about an object that was like a top that came down 703 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,960 and basically hovered over him and shot flames out. 704 00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:43,920 Sound familiar? 705 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:44,580 Oh. 706 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,180 Flames. 707 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:46,860 Look at that. 708 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,260 There's another one. 709 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,220 A 10-year-old girl says she was burned 710 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,720 while watching a strange egg-shaped thing in the sky 711 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:54,060 yesterday afternoon. 712 00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:00,800 This happens in Hawks, which I think is over by Roswell, right? 713 00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:03,840 What we have evidence of is it's not just here in Sakura. 714 00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:07,800 So many towns would be lit up with sightings 715 00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:09,440 that are quite frightening. 716 00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:12,040 This thing was everywhere. 717 00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,860 I uncovered something that was not very well known, 718 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,440 and that was two cases where UFOs allegedly came so close 719 00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:23,840 to children that it caused physical harm. 720 00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:25,540 You know, what is going on? 721 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,840 I want to know if there's any truth to the rumors 722 00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:30,040 around Dulce. 723 00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:33,180 Is it possible there's a secret alien base? 724 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,780 Murna Hansen continues to be the only eyewitness who 725 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,680 has set foot inside the base. 726 00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:43,120 So Ben does a deep dive into the background of her account. 727 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:47,060 What's interesting is that all of the records from Mirna 728 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,100 were destroyed, ironically. 729 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,000 But I did discover one person who was key to this, 730 00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:56,300 who reviewed the regression hypnosis of Mirna Hansen. 731 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,900 And his name is Paul Benowicz. 732 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,200 Paul is a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, 733 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,500 and his name is Paul Benowicz. 734 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,400 Paul is a key figure to this. 735 00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:09,660 He was convinced that Mirna did find evidence of an underground 736 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,940 base there at the Mesa. 737 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,880 In his papers, he's quoted as saying, 738 00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:18,840 their base is on the west slope of Mount Archuleta. 739 00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:20,820 The base extends north of this peak 740 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,440 to the edge of the cliff. 741 00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:25,420 I would guess it is an underground launch egress 742 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,880 facility. 743 00:39:26,980 --> 00:39:29,160 They are not to be trusted. 744 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,000 They must be stopped and have to get off 745 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,640 before we find time to run out. 746 00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:38,780 He was absolutely entrenched in the information coming to him. 747 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,180 But the thing was, he was the subject of an Air Force 748 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,680 disinformation campaign. 749 00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:45,980 We know that. 750 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,480 I talked to one of the officers who was involved in it. 751 00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:53,760 We knew it was not from this Earth, the extraterrestrial. 752 00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:58,460 Those particular sightings, we had to disinform the public. 753 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,100 Before he died in 2003, he was convinced there was an underground 754 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,700 base underneath the Archuleta Mesa. 755 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,300 Jerry, Dory, Avery, they're all taking a path walked by Benowitz 756 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,240 and Zemora decades ago. 757 00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:14,780 I'm headed back to Archuleta Mesa to figure out where 758 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,980 that path ends and maybe the entrance to that base. 759 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,080 Ben's investigation has him convinced there's something 760 00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:24,880 very strange happening around the town of Dulce 761 00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:27,320 and the Archuleta Mesa. 762 00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:30,180 But is it really possible that there could be an underground 763 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,080 base within the mountain? 764 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:35,860 Ben has enlisted the help of Hickorya Apache tribe member, 765 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,020 Avery Tafoya, to see for himself. 766 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,820 This has got to be some of the most difficult terrain 767 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,400 I've ever traveled for a really. 768 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:56,080 The road is so narrow that I can barely squeeze by 769 00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:59,700 without riding up over the embankment. 770 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,840 It's pretty far away down. 771 00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:04,380 So we've got to go really slow. 772 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,180 Oh, boy. 773 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,380 She's crabbing now. 774 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,320 She's crabbing. 775 00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:17,320 She wants it to go left. 776 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,760 There you go. 777 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:26,580 Oh, boy. 778 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,360 Notice I'm starting to shed clothes. 779 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:45,500 This is very stressful. 780 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,900 We've got to be very careful here. 781 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000 Getting your run on it. 782 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:52,300 So hold on to your hats. 783 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:57,580 Ah, shoot. 784 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,480 We have a drone. 785 00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:03,480 We've got thermal. 786 00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:08,980 And I want to start hiking just at least to the base here. 787 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,960 I know a lot of people talked about evidence 788 00:42:11,060 --> 00:42:13,320 that something is built underground. 789 00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:14,460 Why don't we put up the drone? 790 00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:18,260 Well, this is just really cool to be up around here 791 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,760 and looking around. 792 00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:23,100 We should see the radio towers here in just a second. 793 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,400 There we go. 794 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,440 OK, so here's our radio towers. 795 00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:30,100 On top of the mountain is the Hickorya Apache-owned radio 796 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,340 towers. 797 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,880 According to Avery, they're unmanned. 798 00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:35,480 There's no sign of anyone up there. 799 00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:36,840 There's no vehicle up there. 800 00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:37,880 There's no vehicle up there. 801 00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:39,380 There's no vehicle up there. 802 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,580 There's no vehicle up there. 803 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,480 There's no vehicle up there. 804 00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:42,880 There's no vehicle up there. 805 00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:44,100 There's no sign of anyone up there. 806 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,940 There's no vehicles, which is like we said. 807 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,380 Now, what I was hearing from people 808 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,240 is that you pan around the other side. 809 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:55,280 That's where they're seeing lights. 810 00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:58,260 So a base could be anywhere in there. 811 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,660 It's pretty secluded coming up from that side. 812 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,300 And as we found out, at certain times of the year, 813 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,460 it really kind of treacherous coming up this way. 814 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,460 Yes. 815 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,800 I mean, that's the idea. 816 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,140 I also have a thermal camera. 817 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,560 It's pretty cold out, so anything that 818 00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:15,800 might be giving off heat like a vent 819 00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:17,300 might show up in the thermals. 820 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,000 Despite scanning around the entire mesa, 821 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,440 Ben doesn't see the hole or entrance. 822 00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:25,040 But if the government had a part to play in building 823 00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:27,480 a jointly operated underground base, 824 00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:30,920 Ben suspects the entrance is well hidden. 825 00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:33,180 Are the people actually being harassed by the military 826 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,380 or anyone while they're up here? 827 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,820 I was just being told a story about that. 828 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,760 A couple of fans were up here. 829 00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:40,920 Some military pulled up on them. 830 00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:42,380 They told them to get off the mountain 831 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,620 and they followed them down. 832 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:44,920 It's almost one of those situations 833 00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:47,180 where you want to demand their credentials. 834 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,820 Under what authority are you kicking me out of here? 835 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:55,220 Probably the authority of that AR-15 plane at you. 836 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,000 So I'm going to record on thermal. 837 00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:01,200 So you can see right here, the top of the mountain 838 00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:04,040 is actually 20 degrees Fahrenheit. 839 00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:09,640 So I'm imagining anything that's ventilating heat or air 840 00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:12,740 from the facility down below is going to show up. 841 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,140 Look at this. 842 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:15,300 You've got 21 degrees. 843 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,740 That's the hillside itself, Fahrenheit, OK? 844 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,840 Yellow and the lighter colors here are going to be hot. 845 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:24,720 So red is going to be the hottest. 846 00:44:24,820 --> 00:44:27,320 Look at that red area coming off the top of the ridge. 847 00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:29,560 Wow. 848 00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:31,220 It's to the left of the towers. 849 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,520 Yes. 850 00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:34,420 It looks like it's coming right up off the ridge. 851 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,520 It's hot. 852 00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:36,600 You see the top of the ridge? 853 00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:38,560 It's spilling out like heat. 854 00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:40,580 Yeah, like hot air blower. 855 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,020 Yeah, exactly. 856 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,860 That red area is growing and growing as if it's 857 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,720 coming off the ridge. 858 00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:47,960 Wow. 859 00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:49,060 What is that? 860 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,400 But why is that bridge so much warmer than surrounding? 861 00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,500 Something has to be causing that heat. 862 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,440 Is it possible that the heat is coming from something 863 00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:06,340 that is venting from underground like a facility? 864 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,460 Sorry. 865 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,500 I don't want to break the fourth wall, but look at this. 866 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,140 Ben has discovered some truly compelling evidence 867 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,740 of an underground base. 868 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,140 But as the sun goes down, he and Avery 869 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,140 need to get off the mountain. 870 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,440 People talk about it being remote here, 871 00:45:20,540 --> 00:45:23,440 difficult to get up to, especially this time of year. 872 00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:27,280 But I could see if you were to build a secret base, 873 00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:28,920 this would be the ideal location. 874 00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:36,020 You know, the Dulce papers are quite controversial. 875 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,280 But after talking to a lot of witnesses who claim to have 876 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:44,380 seen aircraft coming out of the mountain, 877 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,920 there might be some sort of facility here. 878 00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:50,920 Still much of this little corner New Mexico 879 00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:53,020 remains shrouded in mystery. 880 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,620 But it's clearly a UFO hotspot, and its secrets 881 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,860 won't stay buried forever.